Posts by cha ching

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Do Current WT writers review Early Russell Writings? Obviously not.

by objectivetruth in

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from the book "the divine plan of the ages" - c.t.

russell 1886. as a forcible illustration we mention the sodomites.

surely, if we shall find the restitution of the sodomites clearly taught, we may feel satisfied of the truth of this glorious doctrine of restitution for all mankind, spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets.... unto the jews of capernaum he said, "if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in sodom, it would have remained until this day.

cha ching

I love that Ding!!!!!

I sometimes ask, "When do WT publications stop being the truth and turn into apostate literature?"

I will definitely use that one!

Sodom and Gomorrah was an embarrassing subject for me, and I didn't even live at the beginning of the century!

I was on a "Bible Study," using a book, read the paragraph about S & G about whether they would be "resurrected," and the student answered "No, they won't." At the time, the answer should have been "Yes, they will, as the scripture says "it will be more endurable for them."

I, myself, did not think it was right for the Society to change the teaching of S & G from the one I had originally believed... that they would be gone forever.... but, there it was, in black and white... in the 'study' book that I had to use... from the "faithful and discreet slave," "God's channel of communication on earth," yep, they had a chance.... What was I going to do?

I was so embarrassed.... all I could say was "look at the paragraph, what does it say?"

Only a month or two later, "new light" was revealed. S & G were no longer in the running for a resurrection... The student had it right from the beginning... so did I..... That was one of my pet peeves for never going with "whatever the Society says," they just might "unsay" it, and that would be embarrassing to Jehovah...

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How many were victims of child molesters who were members that are still members?!

by Guardian77 in

many members just as in the catholic church have molested children and are not punished nor turned in to the police..

cha ching

Dear Guardian77,

I am so sorry that happened to you... how sad that "the kingdom always comes first," instead of the safety & love of their children...

By speaking up, telling your story, perhaps you will embolden other young victims to go to the police, and "not trust the elders, even when it seeems illogical."

My love & hugs, cha ching

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Idol Worship

by cultBgone in

we couldn't celebrate birthdays because that was self-idolatry.

young boys couldn't have posters of sports stars because that was idolatry.

young girls couldn't have posters of their favorite rock band, same reason.. however, as "pioneers" we were told to memorize the names of the governing body members and the names of the wts presidents.

cha ching

Absolutely....

Idolization of 8 men... Money sent to them, money spent on them, and every word spoken by them is quoted, analyzed and revered.

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More WT Propaganda: 10 Year Old Children Should Get Baptized!

by Oubliette in

i just caught this in an upcoming study article which will be "studied" in the congregations the week of 11/18-24/13:.

he and his wife were elated when their eldest daughter, age ten, told them that she loved her parents, loved the brothers and sisters, and loved jehovah very much.

she said that she wanted to dedicate her life to jehovah and get baptized.

cha ching

The brutal irony here in JW-land, is that the minor cannot change their mind and yet the WTBTS can capriciously change their policies, doctrines, teaching,--hell: they can change whatever they want with absolutely no repercussions.......

But once again, in JW-land, the rules of commons-sense and fair-play are completely ignored in favor of the WTBTS. It's a promise for a promise: I keep mine, you must keep yours; you break yours, I do not have to keep mine......

No matter what happens, you are bound forever by the terms of that agreement and the WTBTS never, ever has to do anything or keep any of their promises....

This is what burns in my soul... and it is hard to articulate, but you did a great job Oubliette! (I will save this in a Word document.)

I was thinking about how much money they spend "flying across the world, to 'bless' the masses with their presence in dedicating an Assembly Hall, a Branch Office, etc... and the little kid in Africa, who went without food, sold his crop and donated his 25 cents to the WT... Yay team...

I hate what these evil, money sucking, cold hearted machines (disguised as "God's channel of communication") do to people.

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7 Things Remarkably Happy People Do Often

by Oubliette in

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i came across this article today and really appreciated it's positive message; and so i wanted to share a few choice excerpts that i thought were particularly relevant for this group:.

7 things remarkably happy people do often1.

make good friends - make real friends.

cha ching

Thx Oubliette!

When you get to do things you enjoy, you really are a happier person!

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FORGIVENESS ... You owe it to your health

by ABibleStudent in

i'm cleaning up my home of unnecessary magazines/newsletters that i have accumulated over the years.

while i was working as an employee i did not feel like i had the time to read them.

now that i'm not working as an employee but work as a volunteer to network and maintain workplace skills, i seem to have more time to read.. after reading many threads by former jws, i thought that the following article might help some to heal.

cha ching

It's just too cumbersome if it is in conflict with our own personal sense of morality ... and without that burden of necessity, then there is no stress... and without stress "forgiveness" no longer becomes a physical health issue.

I would feel like a LESSER person if I forgave someone who didn't earn such. But I would be an inexcusable person if I allowed these atrocities freedom they do not deserve to have.

Well said BSD! This puts into words the way I felt when I had to "forgive the brother" who told me "I am not sorry, I am not repentant'...

Forcing myself to "forgive" only gave me Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome... and gave me terrible health issues.

Having the freedom to decide, the "dignity" to "make my own choice" took me out of the WT's stronghold, the "cognitive dissonance," the guilt you face when you are the innocent party. A huge weight was lifted from me.

My health improved!! I "owed it to myself"

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I went to one of my previous halls remodel today and they did not recognize me...

by confusedandalone in

i definitely look like a worldly person by jw standards... however i went to my old hall because they are remodelling and they are in the final p[hase.

it was not on purpose.

i had bnusiness on the street and happened to drive past.

cha ching

Haha, Steve, thanks for the chuckle!

You should have been more considerate to the brothers by wearing a full contamination suit and the following statement emblazoned on the back and front of the suit:

"DO NOT TEST YOUR FAITH FOR YOU ARE IN THE SAME VICINITY AS AN APOSTATE. ESCAPE IMMEDIATELY!"

"Run away! Run Away"

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FORGIVENESS ... You owe it to your health

by ABibleStudent in

i'm cleaning up my home of unnecessary magazines/newsletters that i have accumulated over the years.

while i was working as an employee i did not feel like i had the time to read them.

now that i'm not working as an employee but work as a volunteer to network and maintain workplace skills, i seem to have more time to read.. after reading many threads by former jws, i thought that the following article might help some to heal.

cha ching

Anger, forgiveness, repentence, forgetting...... justice....

For me, the hard part was being told "Don't be angry"... not that I would be angry my whole life, only when necessary. I am angry when I see wrongdoing... If you saw someone being beat, would you be angry at that action?

Forgiveness.... for me, that word was used as a "get out of jail free card", the word the WTBTS used so that you could not question their sin... So, in the context of the WTBTS, 'forgiveness' was a cheating kind of word. People, individuals, are quite different, and can merit forgiveness. I ask for it.

Repentence... demanded of us all, in detail! Not so of the GB... the words/ phrases "evidently," "apparently," "it seems as though," upon further examination" are the closest the GB lets themselves get to admitting the wrongs, the lies, the inhuman weights and burdens they have placed on 'their children,' by a 'mother' of no conscience and no knowledge of 'sin'.

Forgetting.... only to the extent that you can move on with your life. Never forgetting the past, so that you can always learn from it, protect others with it.

Justice... requires letting people feel these emotions, support them in their solutions, not putting them down as they work thru things.

As does Willow... I try to use my experiences to make myself better, as does any person who goes thru trials. Use your experiences to improve, survive, grow and have a better life. ;-)

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FORGIVENESS ... You owe it to your health

by ABibleStudent in

i'm cleaning up my home of unnecessary magazines/newsletters that i have accumulated over the years.

while i was working as an employee i did not feel like i had the time to read them.

now that i'm not working as an employee but work as a volunteer to network and maintain workplace skills, i seem to have more time to read.. after reading many threads by former jws, i thought that the following article might help some to heal.

cha ching

Exactly, BandontheRun!

I too feel that anger and action has a place in finding justice.

I hated the articles by the Society regarding forgiveness....as I view them as a machine that spews information to the masses to further their cause.

"We told you not to take blood fractions and your mom died?" Forgive us.

"We didn't change the policy on child abuse? We didn't tell you to report to the police? Another child got molested?" Forgive us.

"Some brother stole your money? He didn't say sorry? didn't return it? The elders say forgive him? Get PTSD?" Forgive us.

"Send your money for K Halls, even when they are paid for, spend your time building Assembly halls, pay for the CO visit, pay for this, then that, give us your money in a will... No retirement? No Social Security? Oh, we were wrong about our 'prophecies' " Forgive us.

"Don't go to college, before you graduate, or can use what you have learned, it will be paradise" OOooops, forgive us.

"You won't get old in this system of things, the new order will be here before the end of the 20th century" Oops, forgive us.

It is like letting an alcoholic parent/ spouse get drunk, beat you up, and do nothing but "forgive".... The story continues, never changes.

Get angry, call the police, put them in jail, move out, move on... now the story changes.

Cha Ching! Cha Ching! u aint getting none of my bling!

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Remember this picture?

by Zoos in

i went to a small non-denominational church yesterday - first time in a church since i left the borg 4 years ago - and this is how i observed several of the members singing.. .

boy... do those people love to sing.. .

i try not to judge the sincerity of others but i was a little put off by the experience because it looked fake, showy display-ish.

cha ching

I have noticed that people who really love to sing open their mough widely, and feel free to express themselves.... i.e. "opera singers"

Singing CAN evoke a lot of emotion..... and it is fun!